Someone give me a fake but credible sounding spoiler to post as though it was a PM

Friggin ridiculous.... I just went and visited the 3SA at TFN for the first time in a long while, and just the damn thread titles remind me why I left.

"Yoda vs. Sidious CONFIRMED!!!" - Really? I don't remember Pablo or the OS saying anything about it? "JG says it's true!"

"Scene 114 is the scariest ever!!" Why? "Because Jedi Children are led into Council Chambers to meet Anakin." Where'd you hear that? "It's in this thread over here, in some random dude's scriptment." But where did he get it? "Don't ask questions, we already told you where we know this from."


Josh PMing crap all over the place, and people eating it up. Man, Josh can't retire fast enough.

Too many people don't know the difference between the words "evidence" and "confirmation."


That "random dude" was Ternian, I was the one asking where it came from, I found it in Fatboy's summary and Josh said his info also has Anakin killing five-year-olds as well. TFN has a flood of squirts and spazzes, but not everyone over there fits that description, thanks.


I think it's quite funny. Certainly funnier than comparing dick sizes of web sites.

Referring to Padme:

In the original cut, Anakin even threw her against the wall. Deleted scene!

JG

How would Josh know that?

With a copy of the novelisation, which is generally taken from early shooting scripts.

I suspect he's dishing information from various sources.

With a copy of the novelisation, which is generally taken from early shooting scripts.

Sure, but the novel has a lot of stuff not in the movie. Here he is claiming to know that a scene was in the script at one point but will not be in the movie.

According to Josh we're not going to find out how Palpatine gets the messed up face, only that he's been hiding it.

JG chimes in again...


- JG infers that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader before The Duel and before acquiring the Vader suit.


On lightsaber blade color during The Dual:

- Hmmm ... let me just tell you this. Most of the marketing from Frito Lay will be red vs blue.


On Grievous:

- He hunches more than you would think. He is very different from the Clone Wars cartoon.


New Jedi Youngling/Apprentice:

- Titi Jukassa is a young Jedi apprentice seen in the raid on the Temple.


Mousy "Skank" McCallum:

- I can tell you that Bene is a teenage Jedi apprentice that is killed in the Temple raid.


Nick Gillard the Jedi (not sure if this is new):

- Cin Drallig is played by Nick Gillard and he is a old Jedi lightsaber teacher


Sidious versus Yoda:

- Don't ask specifics to me about this, because I will not tell anyone under any conditions. You need this sequence to be a surprise. I can honestly say, now that I've seen it, please, please do yourself a favor and walk away from this. Wow.


My Way:

- Nothing more via PM from me. I'm working on my resignation article and with it my "review" of sorts of Episode III.

A couple he sent to me:


Q: Anakin personally slaughters five-year-olds - yea or nay?

A: Yeah, not shown on screen. In fact, none of it is, from a certain point of view. Dead bodies everywhere.

Matches Fatboy & Ewok_Pudu's summaries from last year. Grim stuff.


Q: What's the basic premise of the attack on Coruscant, in a couple of words?

A: The end of the Clone Wars, the Separatists were hoping a frontal assault would catch the Jedi weak and thin.

Which was Ternian's assumption. The only explanation that gives Dooku a hefty motivation.

Ok, this line of thought about "why' the Confederacy does certain things always floors me. Doesn't everyone understand that the only motivation that matters is that Palpatine needs to keep the pot stirring so he can further establish his power.

The simple explanation is that he engineers the Coruscant assault because the war is winding down and he is in danger of having to yield his emergency powers because the emergency is about over. He needs the FEAR to continue to get the pressure off his back until he can launch his assault on the Jedi and then the popular vote won't matter.

Well, yeah, obviously. It's just where the majority of them seem to be. If you were the one not just blindly following but asking where the stuff came from, then you were the unquoted parts of my post, the "sane" parts.

As far as Ternian being the random dude, that's obviously a different story.... but why couldn't someone just say that? "Why is this real? Where'd you get it?" "Ternian." "Ah, ok then, cool." But no. It has to be "Where'd you get this?" "Shut up! Don't question it! It's real, I swear!"

Etc.

So it's just a crushed windpipe + childbirth that kills her?
That's ok

I expect that she suffers so badly from a lack of oxygen that she goes into a coma.

I doubt Josh would have seen a rough outline of the movie...

Honestly, I could care less whether Josh has seen the novilization, rough cut, script or children's book. As long as he has info and is willing to share it, I'm happy. Too many people in here keep wanting to bite the hand that feeds them. Who else, on the net, is willing to tell spoilers on such a regular basis? Contrary to popular belief, we're not all "insiders". I've been here for two days and counted maybe 2 or 3 people that know something or somebody. The rest of us, we're just along for the ride. So enjoy it. If you want to "bitch", then by all means feel free do so. Just do it at AICN or the Council or somewhere else.

I actually applaud the fashion he's doing it in.

If the mods had any idea they should be directing all the PM traffic to one thread.

I spoke to the mods today about that.

Apparently, they aren't too happy with the PM'a'spoiler approach because it is causing way too many threads. It's really a nightmare over there at the moment.

I have to agree with some of what other people in here have said. I like MF.com, i visit regularly and i respect a lot of what the people here say. But for a while now, i've detected a lot of animosity directed specifically towards Josh Griffin and i've wondered why. Sure he isn't telling us his sources, but some of that is obviously done to protect the source. I'm not saying we should necessarily believe everything he says straight off, but if he's lying it doesn't do him or the credibility of TFN any good. The way he is speaking now, indicates that he has seen the movie in some way, shape or form. How that is possible i don't know. It would be good if he could tell us, but in the mean time i appreciate what he is telling us - especially as it seems overwhelmingly positive. I can understand why people would be dismissive of that, but that's no reason to speak about him like he is the worlds biggest dick. Sure there are lots of idiots who post over at TFN, but that comes hand in hand with being the largest unofficial SW website on the net and i wouldn't say that is a personal reflection on Josh. Maybe people think he is arrogant, or full of himself and i don't get that. Obviously he said that he thinks Hyperspace has been an attempt for the OS to become TFN, but he is the owner and feels pride towards what he has created, so it's understandable that he might think that way. One of the reasons that this place is good is because people here don't jump on others instantly (unless the idea is so old it's last century - Palpatine is a clone anyone?), instead you discuss stuff and try to work out what truth there is in what info you receive. Maybe i have the wrong end of the stick, maybe there's something i don't know about, but i'm happy that we are finally getting some spoilers in decent quantities after what had been a long barren spell..............

And how did you not just answer your own question?



Correct me if I'm wrong, as I don't follow TFN closely, but Josh had nothing to do with creating TFN.


Anyways, I have my reasons for not liking Josh. I'm not going to go into them here. It's off topic and it'll take up a lot of room. Josh can keep PMing his "spoilers" if he wants, and everyone can believe them for "TFN's credibility" reasons if they want to. I'm skeptic, and even if I wasn't already, the lovely teaser poster debacle was reason enough.

Something tells me Josh is not really retiring, or, if he does, he won't be able to keep himself away.

Isn’t Grievous also aware of “The Truth?”

To me, it would make more sense to keep the General in that dark. If Palpatine already has Anakin pegged as his new number two man, I don’t see why he would feel the need to divulge the full extent of his conspiracy to the General. Palpatine just needs Grievous to prolong the war a little bit longer. He can be disposed of at a later time (if someone else doesn’t take care of Grievous first).

That being said, Obi-wan apparently picks-up on something during Grievous’ communiqué with Sidious. During this interjection, either it’s obvious that Sidious and Palpatine are one in the same or some bit of information is divulged which allows Obi-wan to make the connection. I suspect the latter, but all information so far seems to point to the first.

TFN Jedi Council is a mess, they should force each member to watch this upon registration and pass a test to get their account approved.
http://www.trials-shack.co.uk/posting.html

WTF? In a thread about whether children should be taken to see EP III, Josh says:

I showed my wife some of Episode III last night, she wasn't sure she wanted to go. She's soft, of course, but that does say something.

JG

He showed part of the movie to his wife? Has he lost his mind? Or is he just talking about artwork, etc.? This is getting tiresome.

Hi Demo.

How could Josh get a rough cut of the movie? The only similar thing I remember for a Lucasfilm movie is AICN getting a sneak peek of AOTC, but I think that was much closer to release. This would be quite unusual, no?

The Barg is the Lizard like creature that Obi-Wan uses on Utapau.

I am starting to get pissed of with these games. You're right, if he knows shit he should post it. Or give it to someone who could. If he's got footage i'm sure a few completed pictures could easily be posted randomly over forum sites across the net, without anyone knowing where it came from.

No it's Kelly Brook. It ain't the best picture of her, but it's not bad. The wait for this trailer is killing me the closer we get. It's a bit like when you're desperate for a piss and know the toilet is mere yards away.

Not necessarily. We know she at least passes out. Her body may not have enough to keep her conscious but it has enough to support the twins.

Part of it is Griffen probably gets off on spoon feeding people, on the other hand alot of people like to jerk off on this stuff as long as possible.

I don't care one way or the other, I'll be just as satisfied seeing the trailer.

ben_07 is being such a fucking pansy ass right now. He claims to have inside info but is making everybody play his games. At least Josh has legitimate insiders. ben_07 is getting his info 3rd hand...

hmmm

See, that's where you're wrong though. Sure, I'd love to see the finished product tomorrow. But I wouldn't want to see a rough cut. No way no how.

Go ahead and call it jealousy if you want, but it pisses me off BIGTIME that Josh has already seen it. Again, it's not because I wish I had, but because I wish he hadn't. This is merely gonna feed his already way too big ego. I don't know how in the hell this EVER happened.... I can't imagine Lucas letting the movie leak in any way shape or form. But if it did, and Josh got it... damn.

Here's another batch I didn't see get posted here:

Q: Are there any sequences (you mentioned Yoda vs. Sidious) that we'll want to refrain from knowing about before we see ROTS?

A: Yoda vs Sidious is this. There's several more, actually. I was BLOWN AWAY when I saw the parts of the film that these rumors have been circulating for a while. They got it SO right.

Q: Obi-Wan gets knocked out on the TF ship and later luckily beats Grievous with a blaster?

A: Yup.

Q:If Anakin is wiping the floor with everybody and then suddenly Obi-Wan is lasting against him, how will that be believable?

A: It is. Obi-Wan is passionate about stopping Anakin once he realizes he can't be turned. Perhaps Anakin is weak or distracted, too.

Q: Is Obi-Wan going to be seen as powerful enough to last around 12 minutes against Anakin?

A: Actually THE DUEL is a misleading term. Maybe it should be THE DUELS.

Q: Although obviously you haven't seen the absolutely finished 100% ROTS, with what you've seen and heard right now, where would you rank ROTS in the Saga?

A: #2 behind Empire, and it is darker and moodier than ESB.

Q: How cool is Grievous going to be? Can LFL actually pull off a CG villain? Is the Obi-Wan & Grievous duel going to kick butt?

A: It will. This is being finished REALLY LATE in the vfx cycle, so we'll see.

JG

No.


That would be just telling the truth.

From TFN

1. Without naming them specifically, are there any scenes so far which are disappointing or not up to snuff?

The BARG is a bit odd.

2. When you say, "You have no idea how BAD Sidious gets" do you mean that in terms of his actions....and if so, does that come across in the dialogue too?

BOTH.

3. Speaking of the dialogue, how is it this time around? I was pleased with the other two prequels in this department....But for those that weren't, will they be "redeemed" this time around?

MUCH BETTER. There's a few dumb lines between Anakin and Padme, but other than that ... YEAH.

4. Your reaction has been this strong WITHOUT an accompanying score. How much more drama will the music add to these scenes?

A+ I hope.

5. I've seen that now you rank it just below Empire...which is encouring, given you've not seen a final product yet. That being said, if the final product is that much better, might it surpass ESB in your mind? And also, if you think not, why not? What does ESB have right now that is lacking in Sith....(other than nearly 25 years of reverence behind it..LOL)?

I hope so, but that would be very hard. ESB is an icon.

6. Will the individual planets be pretty memorable, visually? Star Wars landscapes have always had very distinctive characteristics.

Yeah, Utapau is memorable ... the landing platform is in the middle of a sinkhole.

7. Are the performances in Ep. III amped up? In other words, from what you've seen, are we getting good stuff from the actors....(say by comparison to the previous two)?

Yes 100% improved.

8. What specific elements might make this PG-13? Anakin's body? The "scare" factor if it's more intense? Name some broad-but-specific reasons....

EVERYTHING. Especially Sidious



- I have a question....what's the BARG.

You DEFINITELY see this in the Mace/Sidious deal. AWESOME. By the lava, he's pretty much gone.

JG

Which makes sense. The turning point for Anakin is Mace/Sidious, the mirror to his redemption at Sidious/Luke in ROTJ. He IS Darth Vader by the time we get to the duel. As he said in ROTJ... "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." It's too late.

"Does Yoda really fart in the movie?"

In the rough cut, he did.

I pray that if we just keep repeating that, it will become true...

i've pm'ed josh a couple times and he's answered me every time.
that's cool considering every goofass on tfn is doing it as well.
i think what ever he's got is legit.
and he said he's gonna spill all on monday.
whatever that means.

What are the chances that LFL has passed Griffen something reliable (eg: an early draft of the novelisation) and he's working for them directly right now?
He doesn't have a single bad thing to say about this film and the hype he's pumping out at TFn must be doing great things for free teaser and HS publicity....

This one has me thinking. What can Sidious do that would push the film from PG to PG-13? I mean he's creepy, but previously it's been Wicked Witch of the West creepy. What are the traditional factors that push a film to PG-13?

Of course this may just be Josh's bias showing, but it's interesting to think about.




If anyone's interested, RolandofGilead is compiling all of Josh's spoilers into a single thread:

Josh The Fact's

TWICE THIS THREAD HAS BEEN DERAILED.


IT'S OVER.

SI was going to reopen the thread when things cooled down. Seeing how some refuse was just removed from the premises, the thread has been reopened.

A few things - the admins of this site were THE SOURCE of info in the form of scripts, storyboards, pictures, soundtracks, and video during the runup to Episode II.

For Episode III and the Original Trilogy (DVDs) MF has delivered and will continue to deliver with hot new sources such as Raith Sienar (who posts here under a different name thanks to AICN and TBo) and Foxbatkllr.

Hell we even have TheForce.net's "DarthFriday" source EP and both of TBo's Spoiler Season sources, Fatboy Roberts and of course EP.

Since Griff has a copy of a Episode III roughcut (since you know Griff showed it to his wife), hopefully it will end up on the Internet soon.

Has anyone heard from Ewok_Pudu recently?

EP has retired but he is here almost everday. I'm not sure if EP gets any new info but all I will say is "Polis Massa" has been the Luke and Leia birth planet name for quite sometime.

I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't doubt DP and MF.com to put it up if it becomes available. I just don't see it becoming available.

He's said some of the dialogue is a bit iffy, but not anywhere near the TPM/AOTC levels. He also said the Barg is a bit odd. I wish he'd stop teasing us and just blow the lid on the secrets. I've wanted to know the force ghost resolution for a long, long time.

Once I heard about the lizard obi-wan rides, my first thought was how it would look visually and I couldn't picture a way for it to look good knowing how this type of digital effect usually looks.

Dialogue josh says is only iffy in Anakin/Padme scenes....the other stuff he said it great and the acting 100 percent improved.

I truly think nobody wanted to get this wrong.