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LOVED Rey!

I thought the score was well lacking.
Really disappointed in that.

Opening crawl the best ever!
Nearly peed my pants!


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There was no memorable themes. It was just bland fodder.


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as above it was FUCKING AWESOME!

my biggest/probably only gripe was that the main title theme was a bit lacklustre compared to previous recordings

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I've seen it twice so far: once in 2D, then in 3D.
The first viewing was quite surreal.
I was impressed, shocked and moved by what l saw and heard.
Without spoiling anything, l left the theatre stunned (because of SPOILER) but was better prepared for it today.
I think the second viewing was even more enjoyable.
There's so much humor and great chemistry with the cast. I really enjoyed it.


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It was a totally enjoyable film but it was also a bit trashy. The 'Death Star' planet was stupid, rushed and preditcable. The rehashing of plots from the OT was stupid. Finn was horrible...and so was the Voldemort/Palpatine hybrid.

The stand-outs were Rey, BB8, Poe and the cantina owner and to a degree, Kylo Ren (I loved his inner conflict).


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Astonishingly good - fun, exhilirating, visual spectacular and old school. You can say the plot is a re-tread or you can say it's a pastiche of the original story but either way it's a very, very good film (and screenplay).

Highlight for me - while I mull over my blog review - were

The visceral and "real" feel of the film. The right balance between CG and real models really does make a difference.
The humour between the characters - this is definitely Kasdan's script.
The Freudian angst of Kylo Ren - actually this was one of the best things in the story and is enhanced by Adam driver's performance. He manages in select scenes what Lucas/Hayden Christensen failed in two entire movies. You genuinely feel his soul tearing apart.
The "vision" thing - you see the kinds of things in this you don't expect i.e. the Falcon getting pretty battered by the people piloting it, blissfully awe inspiring aerial battles. The best way to describe it is that the filmmakers have seen the Star Wars universe and those in it with fresh eyes for the 21st Century. And it's good!

The only thing I would question is Phasma - what was the point? The character served no purpose.


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Oh - forgot to mention...

The 3D is immense. Best I've seen in a movie, but then I always figured 3D suited this genre better than most.


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Just got out about 40 minutes ago, it's a lot to take in. It was such a great experience, I loved it. I hope all of you who see it enjoy it as much as I did.

I have two girls, one is 8 and the other is 5 and they were glued to the screen. It was like they were watching Frozen 2. That made it even more special for me, to see them be interested in the folklore and fantasy of the wonderful SW universe. I guess we all love to see ourselves when we first were enthralled and captivated by Star Wars. I did tonight and it was amazing.

Thank you to all at MF.com for the news and hype, you helped keep the force a live in this fan for the past decade. Again, happy viewing to all of you.


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My review...

MAJOR spoilers if you've stayed spoiler free: http://jonrosling.com/eyefilms/?p=1547


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I've seen it twice now in 3D so looking forward to my first 2D showing today.

It's criminal how good this movie is :)

The score was a little lacking so may have to have a listen to that on it own.

The entire cast was top notch with the Kylo Ren character a stand out.


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Some thoughts, I'm still digesting it all tbh:

Rey is cute as a button and the stand-out star of this movie.

Finn is solid, not horrible at all and very likeable for a stormtrooper.

Poe is Han snark-tastic! He's good and he really knows it.

BB8 is just awesome. Honestly I've read reviews saying he's childish and crap but I think he's one of the best things in this.

Kylo Ren is deeply conflicted but we're not really sure why yet, there's a lot more to discover about this character. I'm trying hard not to see him as a kid wrecking his bedroom in a temper but that's kind of what we're seeing. Too stubborn and immature for the training perhaps?

Maz Kenata, same species as Yoda?

Leia's face didn't move once :(

Supplementary : I am fairly certain I know exactly where Daniel Craig pops up. He's in it twice I'm sure.

Also, Chewie seemed to get over shit pretty quickly did he not? :chewbacca:


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So the the New Republic was destroyed after 4 planets blew up? That part confused the fuck out of me.

Overall entertaining and was respectful of the saga as a whole.

Han dying was predictable, I'm sure Ford demanded this.


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I liked it, quite a bit. There were a few bumps, but nothing that prevented me from having a good time, and the pacing was nice. The overall tone of the music was fine; it didn't hit me in the face the way the PT soundtrack did, but didn't grab me like the OT.

Things I enjoyed:
Articulated fingers for Chewie
BB8
Rey
Watching the Falcon in flight
Back alley style nasty lightsaber fighting
The final moments of the movie


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I don't think that the Republic was destroyed with the four planets, dromag. I think Hux meant that the firing of the Starkiller weapon was the "beginning of the end of the Republic."

As a whole, my initial reaction to the film is about the same as George's. It's definitely fan service for OT pursuits. One one level, that's a good thing. On another level, the movie plays it too safe and close to the surface. (A few years back, I got to see the initial Savage Opress arch for TCW series in a theater. For now, I recall that screening to be a more satisfying experience than this one. I still have to process why.)

Even with the overall "very good" package, there are several things I loved. For one, I agree with Ternian about the crawl. I wanted to applaud after reading it. Everything having to do with Solo was also great. He's haggard, gruff, scheming, and more than a little sentimental. That's exactly how Han Solo would turn out. To me, the final minutes were a bit magical. Hamill doesn't need to utter a single line in the film. His face seemed to registered a full range of emotions.

In terms on the new characters, I also agree that Rey is handled the best. Her transition from likable action hero to emotional heavy is somewhat seamless. Technically and dramatically, the end sword fight was very smartly executed. (Oh, and Rey is probably Luke's kid. Why else would the Skywalker saber "call" out to her? I would almost put money on Felicity Jones' character in Rogue One as being her mother.)

I liked Finn a lot.
His enthusiasm is over-the-top in many ways, but I appreciate that approach. The same type of tactic was used with Luke and Hanin ANH, after all.

I also liked Kylo's fire and vulnerability.
Yes, its pretty obvious that he's Abrams re-imagined Anakin.

Gleeson's impression of McGregor doing an impression of Guinness makes Hux's heritage intriguing.

Snoke was fine, but no Sidiuos, Tyranus, or Maul (for that matter).

Phasma's screen-time must have been cut down in the final edit.
Why else would her character be such a non-entity?

Maz was quite good, and I'm hopeful that she will appear in the Anthology Solo movie.

Concerning music, the best part of the soundtrack was when William's briefly played the Rebel Alliance theme from ROTJ. The rest of the stuff was alright, which is disappointing by Williams' very high standards.


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Holy beeping shitballs batman. It's awesome. That's my review.

I gotta see this again...


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I loved every second of it. I could gush for paragraphs on end, but I'd probably just end up repeating what's already been said here and elsewhere. Lifting story elements from A New Hope doesn't really bother me... ANH's story wasn't exactly the most original itself, but the film soared when everything else came together.

I agree with the first post about the music being kind of weak... not a lot of the new stuff was all that memorable - except for The Jedi Steps at the end of the film, a piece that I just love for how haunting and mythical it sounds. Opening crawl was terrific, and the pan down to the silhouette of the Star Destroyer was cool.

Regarding Starkiller Base's attack, I think Hux talked about destroying the Senate and Republic fleet, followed by a line (think it was in a Resistance scene) about Hosnian Prime and its system being wiped out. No way they could have completely destroyed the whole Republic, although now you probably have a bunch of worlds left to fend for themselves after what was pretty much a decapitation strike that took out the galaxy's leadership and military.

Edit: I should also add that the movie looks terrific in IMAX 3D. Great sense of scale in the landscape shots on Jakku, and there weren't a bunch of "Look, everybody! It's 3D!" moments.


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I expected it to be good, but not that good.

Wow.


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I'm processing still, but I'm afraid I don't share the outward enthusiasm of everyone here. The word I kept thinking of as I watched the movie was "awkward." I didn't feel magic or excitement, legitimate thrills or a sense of urgency. Some quick hits (good and bad):

• The actors were all great. The chemistry between them worked.
• The early scenes of Rey on Jakku are among the best of the movie.

• I don't think the wipes employed the right logic as it relates to how they were used in the rest of the saga. Typically the wipes transition plot beats but these came randomly. Minor nitpick, but I'm a Star Wars dork that likes attention to detail and consistency.

• I honestly think this should be Williams' last Star Wars score. He really let down Abrams in a bunch of scenarios that begged for something more uplifting, original and thematic. It basically broke the movie for me, and led to many of those "awkward" moments. Major disappointment.

• Liked the nod to the EU by having Kylo's name be "Ben." (I realize Ben was Luke's son in the EU)
• Loved Leia's reaction after Han's death (although this BEGGED for a dramatic musical cue that wasn't delivered)

• Snoke CG was very distracting, especially because of how grounded the rest of the creature execution was. I didn't like the design and his scenes didn't add much to the overall story. They would have honestly been better off not showing him at all in this movie.

• Dogfights were awesome, obviously.
• I thought 3D made the movie look worse. The shot of Poe's x-wing taking out a bunch of TIEs in a row looked like a pop out book.
• I'm shocked (in a good way) by Carrie's performance.

• Luke having 10 seconds of screen time, saying nothing and doing nothing kind of irked me. I had an idea this was coming, but the payoff could've been a tad greater. Why not have him pull his lightsaber out of Rey's hand at least? Nitpick, but if Kasdan and JJ really wanted to shoot "the most delightful thing that could happen in that scene" it wouldn't have been just having Luke stand there.

There's a lot more for me still to process. All I know is that I didn't leave the theatre happy or excited. I suppose by definition that leaves me disappointed. I've had a pretty stressful week, and haven't had a chance to properly get excited for TFA so that might have played a role in all this. I'm seeing it again tomorrow, so hopefully I'll be able to just relax and enjoy it. I want to believe.

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Say what you will about Lucas - and God knows I've said lots about how much of a mess the prequels were at times - but he was able to clearly and cleanly advance the plot. He took me from point A to B to C with ease, even if each of those stops felt frustrating. I honestly could hardly follow what was going on in TFA and why characters were doing the things they were doing. The script (not the dialogue) felt messy, confused and rushed. I don't even know why the movie was called "The Force Awakens."


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CoGro - I agree with you on nearly everything. It was more Star Trek than Star Wars. GL, as much as his scripts were messy, really 'created' that galaxy far far away. JJ merely copied and pasted.


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Was Rey overpowered? Luke is the son of the chosen one and he struggled to pull a lightsaber from a patch of snow after being trained by Kenobi, and studying to be a Jedi for 3 years.


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Did the marathon.

Profound life-affirming experience. Lucas is and will always be a mad genius.

Still processing TFA. Will likely see it again and have more coalesced thoughts about it. For the time being - holy fuck. :chewbacca:


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I saw it last night. Totally blew me away. For me, this is the best Star Wars movie since 1980. And I liked the PT.

It's a wonderful continuation of the saga, and now I can't wait for Episodes 8 and 9.

Calling this a "rehash" is like calling Shakespeare's Henry VI a rehash of Henry V. It's not a rehash by any stretch of the imagination.


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Not bothered by the lack of leitmotif in the score.

That's why I prefer what Hans Zimmer did with Batman over Danny Elfman's earlier go at it. I personally find that, as enjoyable as they are, melodies sometimes limit and confine musical expression.

I think that the lack of a reliance on distinct, easily hummable melodies is totally intentional and not symptoms of an aging, out-of-touch Williams. It's probably Williams' preference too. After all, it's reported that Abrams gave him great latitude and freedom in composing the score. By the way, ever heard the maestro's non-film music? Ever listen to classical or jazz (where ol' Johnny Williams started)? There's so much more to music and John Williams than his almost signature and oft-duplicated incorporation of Wagnerian leitmotif in film.

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Saw the film last night. My initial thoughts:

I found Finn to be a much more likable character than I anticipated. But was he a little *too* jolly and jokey for a stormtrooper who had just defected? And, given the wound administered to him by Kylo Ren, shouldn't he, ya know, have been dead? It looked like he took a saber blade up his spine.

Rey was terrific. Outstanding acting performance, a character that really allowed you to connect with her throughout her journey. Having said that, I had a hard time buying into her ability to beat Ren in a lightsaber duel with no training whatsoever, while Ren, at least up to a point, had specific Jedi training skills in his past. The only scene I can think of that can justify that fight was in the Jakku market when Rey takes out a bunch of thugs with her staff. If she's gone through some self-defense training, it gives her ability with a lightsaber a little more legitimacy.

And I'd be stunned if Rey isn't Luke's daughter.

I teared up upon seeing Han and Leia reunited, which surprised me. I've always been more attached to Luke and his story than the Han-Leia story, but Han and Leia were the emotional highlight for me. You really feel their tragic loss when talking about Ren. Harrison Ford was simply fantastic.

The pacing felt really disjointed. Some really great character-development scenes on Jakku, then it became a slam-bang one loud thing after another rush over the film's last 45 minutes, with the Han-Ren scene being the rare exception.

Captain Phasma was kind of a lame character, given her build-up, especially in the collecting world. Easily skippable.

I too, found the score disappointing and not Star Wars-like for my tastes. John Williams is absolutely beyond reproach, for all he has enriched us with over the years. He easily gets the benefit of the doubt. But Star Wars (and Indiana Jones for that matter) is made up of a musical fabric that calls for signature musical elements, either attached to characters or moments. The PT handled these moments perfectly, from the dinner scene in Anakin's house in TPM, to the epic Mustafar duel in ROTS. I felt no epic musical moments in this film, which when you align it with the other 6, is quite a letdown. I found Rey's theme enjoyable and very much in the Star Wars realm, but it wasn't communicated to us with nearly the frequency or effectiveness Luke's theme was in ANH.

The musical highlight for me, was the new rendering of the Star Wars main theme. That DID feel more epic and operatic, compared to the PT's versions.

The absence of "Episode VII" in any official materials in the lead-up to the movie honestly had me worried. I was greatly relieved to see that label applied to the opening crawl.

The opening crawl was flawless. Every word was pinpoint perfect.

The LFL publishing program HAS to start a series of novels set between ROJ and TFA. I mean, it HAS to. So much information to convey.

The setting of the finale with Luke and Rey was visually breathtaking. A very different closing shot, with the camera panning, at a distance, around the two characters before the iris out. That felt very much like a JJ moment, but still didn't feel out of place in the Star Wars visual style. Luke's mechanical hand made me sad, and makes me wonder what happened to him to forsake his prosthetic.

Overall, I'd rank this film 5th out of the 7, were a gun to my head. There are subtle touches of storytelling and the epic myth that are so unique to George Lucas, no one can replicate them. I thought JJ Abrams turned in a strong effort directing, and he clearly got excellent performances out of the actors. Ultimately, I am very anxious for Episode 8, which means The Force Awakens did its job properly.


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Enjoyed it thoroughly, agree about Rey - really like how much emotional range her character shows in the film,

Finn was funny,
Poe was "ok" to me,
Hux definitely had touch of Ewan McGregor going on in his voice,
Kylo is good as a strong villain who is strutting around to compensate for his insecurities (good idea IMO),
Snoke was mysterious and I think much more to be seen of him to make proper assessment,
Han - EXCELLENT,
Chewie - GREAT,
Leia - good to see her but agree she was minimal in the film,
BB-8 is GREAT - nice to see a new droid as front and centre action droid,Luke - WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely loving it,seen it twice now and it's awesome!!!!!!


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I am seeing it again today, but I honestly don't want to. My friends, co-workers and family (all of which know I'm the resident SW nut) are asking me for my reaction and I'm ashamed to even respond.

Right now, my gut tells me this is the worst of the Star Wars movies. I am trying not to say that hyperbolically in response to a disappointment. The acting is better than it was in the PT, the dialogue better, etc. but Star Wars is so about those magical moments - the complete experience - which is driven by pacing, wit, spot-on dramatic timing, and music, most of what this movie lacks.

Music in particular elevates emotion in these films. Star Wars Rebels handles music orders of magnitudes better than TFA does. It's unforgivable in my opinion and was catastrophic to my experience.

My opinion could change, but right now I rank it 7 of 7 based on the sole fact that this didn't FEEL like Star Wars to me. I desperately want this feeling to change (this movie has 95% on rotten tomatoes for hell's sake!).


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JJ seems to have really capitalized on Lucas' directing mantra of "faster and more intense."

Seriously, this is one of the fastest paced films I've ever seen that doesn't rely on the crutch of narration.

It's a Star Wars trait.

And I don't mean to make this a circlejerk but yeah, CoGro's one of most substantial posters on this forum despite the occasional insults and disagreements.


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Did anyone get the impression that when Kylo slams his helmet down during Rey's interrogation that it is into something holding Vaders ashes?


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Not sure how to feel about it. It's a serviceable popcorn flick and certainly didn't disgrace the series, but something seemed off. The story unfolded in a very brainless Star Trek Into Darkness sort of way. Don't ask questions. We don't have answers. Here are some more action scenes.

Opening scene was good. Loved Poe and the old man, the dialogue about Luke and the Princess, the arrival of the First Order and confrontation with Kylo. I even liked Kylo's voice, which sounded less like the Talkboy from Home Alone 2 in the film. Seriously, the guy they got for Poe was perfect. He started talking and I was like, that's Star Wars. He even looked out of the 70s. So much for those characters.

When the focus switched to Finn and Rey, I couldn't really care for them. They never did it for me. I could have cared less if Finn had died at the end, and that's pretty bad. When Rey suddenly has Force powers, her character is drastically altered without explanation and that kinda rubbed me the wrong way.

The villains, specifically Snoke, Cliff Huxtable and Kylo without his mask on didn't feel like Star Wars to me. They were like characters out of a Harry Potter movie in the wrong universe.

The new alien designs didn't feel like Star Wars.

Finn is given the lightsaber and, out of nowhere, a Stormtrooper instantly confronts him with a weapon that can deflect lightsabers. How convenient.

Han's unceremonious death was kinda goofy. I was hoping it wouldn't be. I was like, "Please, don't show an awkward facial expression and have him fall down a bottomless pit."
*cut to awkward facial expression and falling down a bottomless pit in slow motion*

The spaceship battles and action scenes were generally sloppy and unmemorable. A big fuckin' letdown. I didn't give a shit about any of those scenes. The Abrams Star Trek movie action scenes kick the shit out of these.


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I have so many mixed feelings about this movie.

I had a BLAST watching it, but afterwards when the lights came on and I started thinking about what I had seen, things started coming apart:

1) The map to Luke - where did it come from? Why was it in Artoo? Who put it there? Luke? Why would he do that instead of just leaving a cell phone number? Why a map, why not coordinates? Why did Artoo suddenly wake up at that exact moment? Why did Lor San Tekka have the map in the first place? Everyone was acting like he and Maz were important characters and old friends. Why the hell didn't Leia go looking for Luke at the end when she's spent so much time doing so? Why did she just hug Rey, they hadn't even met? Why is it Rey who's the one who goes?

2) Kylo Ren and Rey - they're obviously close to the same age, yet Rey was left on Jakku as a very young girl, which means that either Kylo Ren wiped out everyone at the Jedi academy when he was 10, or he has very good plastic surgery to keep him youthful looking. Basically, the timelines don't add up. Also Kylo....Driver was great, but man, what an edgelord. I expected him to crank My Chemical Romance, start cutting himself, and yelling "how do you like me now DAD??" after he killed Han.

3) Rey - she was the character I had the biggest issue with. She's an ace scavenger, an amazing fighter, can pilot and fix the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo, learns Jedi Mind Tricks on the fly, is an almost perfect shot with a blaster, suddenly becomes the best swordswoman around, beating a guy who's been practicing with lightsabers for years, is the best at the Force, everyone loves her instantly and is willing to die for her, and don't even think about thinking she would need rescuing or help because she can do it herself.....like holy shit, she's a fanfiction self-insert character. I hate to use the term Mary-Sue, but jesus. I get that she's probably a memory-wiped Skywalker, but even Anakin wasn't this perfect, and he was the Chosen One.

4) Coincidences - I know that Star Wars is based on coincidences, but they just seem to be too much of a stretch. Rey and Finn just happen to run by the Falcon, which happens to have its doors open and its keys in the ignition, then they just happen to be close enough to Han for him to register them on his sensors, Rey just happens to find Luke's saber at Maz's, who just happened to have it, Chewie just happens to find Rey and Finn in the middle of the forest, Artoo just happens to wake up at the end of the movie in time to provide his part of the map. Gah.

5) Rehashing. This movie went beyond "poetry". Just because you acknowledge something is a rehash in the movie doesn't forgive you from doing it (this is just like the Death Star). From the droid and hero on the dessert planet, to the Cantina scene in Maz's castle, to the frigging Death Planet superweapon, with an X-wing only trench run.....wew. Beat for beat, this movie was a New Hope redone. It also seems like the events of the first 6 movies were rendered inconsequential. There's still an Empire, there's still a scrappy and under-funded Rebellion at a secret base using stunt-fighters, Han Solo has become a smuggler again, there's only one Jedi alive and in hiding.....not only did nothing happen in 30 years, but everything was reset.

6) Luke Skywalker didn't say a word. Even worse, after waiting so long for a sequel, and hyping the return of the original cast so hard all year, they didn't even have the decency to give us ONE scene with Han, Leia and Luke reunited in it together. If there was ONE thing that every fan probably wanted, it was that. And now they never will. This pisses me off so much......

7) Snoke looked like Gollum, and Hux was a one-note.

This movie was fun, and felt like a roller coaster watching it. I thought Finn and Boyega were incredible, as were Poe and Solo. Leia seemed a bit rough to me.

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more disappointed I'm becoming. I wasn't even planning on typing out this much. Maybe a rewatch will help change my mind......


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I kind of hated the lightsaber vision/Force calling to Rey thing. That was something else that felt like Harry Potter. Since when does the energy weapon do that? Why didn't it call to Luke or give him a vision in the original Star Wars? What the fuck is that shit?


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Upon second viewing, I believe the whole 'death star' plot could have been cut out completely. It was useless, made NO sense what-so-ever, and made the whole film seem repetitive.

Finn is annoying. I wished he died completely. Phasma is a waste of time. Snoke is Voldemort.

Rey is bloody amazing. I actually see Padme traits in her (when she is on the Death Star and crawling down the side of the shaft = Padme in the Geonosian arena with her hair clip climbing up the pole), and Anakin traits (can fix things and is a good pilot).


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3rd best movie of the series, behind ANH and Empire. You nitpicking haters have rose color glasses on for the prequels, apparently. All 3 were shit with horrible acting, horrible dialogue and dated special effects.

"Taxation of trade routes", PFFT!
“Ye gads, whatta meesa sayin’?” goddammit really?
"I’ll try spinning. That’s a good trick. Whoa-ah!” yeah, thanks George for making me look like an asshole for ever liking Starwars to begin with!

J J Abrams just gave fans of the original series the biggest Christmas gift ever, it's not embarrassing to like star wars now!


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Yeah,Prequels had way more cheesy nonsense in them than TFA did.


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