Well I can say for certain, somebody here has a little bit of a crush on John McCain. You might not vote for him, but apparently you want to blow him if what I posted got your panties in such a bunch.
I had to go back and re-read what I wrote, just in case I said something that might have inspired such a knee-jerk rhetoric laden response. I'm not sure where you got all bent out of shape, so I will try to formulate a witty internet comeback here. For starters, I'm not one of those people who shouts baby-killer at veterans, allthough you seem to think I am. And as far as growing up is concerned, I'm allready an old geezer, so simmer down whippersnapper. I'm going to hide half of it though, because apparently I have to spell it all out for you in ridiculous fucking detail this time so you can follow along.
Should I start a thread entitled "TroyObliX hates America and all other good things too"?
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[align=left]The point I'm making, that you folks are apparently missing, is that joining the military is
not, in and of itself, equal to "fighting for your country".
Can it be done from there? Certainly.
Has it been done from there? Absolutely.
And for those who do, they have my deepest thanks.
But I still don't respect them any more than anyone else.
Because I was raised to be polite and respectful to all strangers, until they prove they don't deserve it.
Unless jokes are to be made. Then, nothing is sacred.
Do military people get a free pass on that? Nope, sorry.
Should people
not make jokes about them or critically analyze them, particularly a candidate for president who has pushed himself out into that spotlight, just because they joined the military?
That would be downright cowardly.[/align][/spoil]
Since we are talking about McCain, his military service, the fact that he fought in Vietnam and not the entire history of US/communist relations here (which you apparently have no understanding of given your 100 year estimate), what about your living hero status for Johnny?
[spoil][align=left] Do I think that McCain was one of the people who did in fact "fight for his country" while serving in the military? No, I sure don't.
I'm sure he thought he was, at the time. I'm sure that by your definition he was.
But any basic understanding of that fucked up conflict will make it obvious that
none of it had to do with "fighting for our country".
How?
Because we lost, motherfucker.
And we still don't live in a communist country.
If we had never fought there? We still wouldn't be living in a communist country, and there would be 30,000+ more living brave Amercians to pay attention to the actual threats around us.
By allowing themselves to be used as political puppets and enforcers of bad policy, soldiers are doing none of us a favor.
I can still empathize with and appreciate the losses of veterans of that conflict.
But I'm not going to delude myself and think for a moment that because I feel bad for them, that they fought for our country. Because they didn't.[/align]
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Am I anti-military?
[spoil][align=left]Plenty of people in the military have opposed the corrupt and imperialistic, occasionally unconstitutional and illegal practices of our government over the years. Plenty of them have also done honorable and respectful things, even while following orders.
But is because someone elisted and perhaps seen combat and maybe even been wounded a direct pass on all criticism from there on out?
Fuck no, and fuck you for suggesting it.
Respect? I'm a complete gentleman to everyone I meet until it becomes unwarranted.
In fact, considering this is the "stupid shit" forum, I had considered posting far more disrespectful shit, but didn't, out of (ahem')
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Do I want to keep going?
[spoil][align=left]Making blanket assesments about groups of people, be it a good assesment or a bad assesment, given very few factors, is not a wise move.
I think what we may be seeing here is bearvomits latent racism, turned completely inside out, transformed into blind adoration for anyone who has ever enlisted.
Maybe you find it "honorable" to take the easy way of just labelling people good or bad because of single indicators, be they skin color or military history.
But you shouldn't expect the rest of us to take so little care in examining the world around us.
I'm not calling you a racist here, mind you, because you have steered clear of that lately.
But it's there.
You have a history of making blanket statements about people.
Except this time it's socially acceptable.
Because you and the "love it or leave it" crowd are too stupid to realize when you shouldn't even be taking part in the debate.
100 year history of communist enemies?
You do know that the Soviets were our allies until the former allies chopped up Berlin, right?
That's just over 60 years ago.
And we have been so far up Communist China's ass since the 90's and especially now, we can see it's lunch.
And it's lunch was our economy. But money isn't important, right?
You might have noticed that if you hadn't been crying red white and blue tears.
Dont they have a library in fantasyland?[/align][/spoil]
I'll say this, I hope it never happens. But if the Chinese or anyone else ever invades the US, every good American is going to be labled as an insurgent, or a terrorist. And they might die, fighting for thier country. Without ever joining the military. I hope I don't see the day that happens though. Because if I do, you'll might as well start calling me Osamablix bin Troyden.
