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Author:  Dogg Thang [ November 12th 2004 6:32 am ]
Post subject:  The Empire's War & Naboo
The effects of the war and The Empire on Naboo.

The Clone Wars seem pretty huge in scale in terms of sheer amounts of destruction. The there are decades of Empire occupation. Now that seemed to have little effect on somewhere as remote as Tatooine but I would have expected somewhere as prosperous as Naboo to go through major changes in the Wars and during the occupation of the Empire. I mean, those palaces didn't build themselves. There is clearly a huge amount of money in Naboo.

And yet, at the end of the new Return Of The Jedi DVD, we see Naboo seemingly unchanged. It looks as beautiful as ever. No visible damage and no obvious effects of occupation. Sure, it's just one shot but one that is meant to embody a now free Naboo after years of occupation.

I'm not going anywhere with this, it just struck me as odd. Also I wasn't sure where to put this as it relates to The Prequel Trilogy, The Original Trilogy, and Revenge Of The Sith.
Author:  Dogg Thang [ November 12th 2004 8:54 am ]
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Well getting to the stage where nobody could live there is one thing, but there isn't one sign of occupation whatsoever. It is exactly as it was 30 years before despite a galactic war and years of rule by a very oppressive regime. It just struck me as odd.

Maybe it was off-limits to the Empire because Palpatine started there...

Dogg.
Author:  dans [ November 12th 2004 8:55 am ]
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In the Clone Wars era comics the war only got to a moon of Naboo and actually never touched the actual planet (so far anyway). Also, I would imagine since it was Palpatine's homeworld that it might get special treatment during the Empire's reign.

Now as to why they celebrate his death, I think that while they got preferential treatment under his reign they still disagreed with his methods and the atrocities that occured during the galactic civil war.
Author:  Dogg Thang [ November 12th 2004 11:11 am ]
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Again, I'm not talking about having the place trashed. I'm simply saying it's odd that there is no sign whatsoever of any occupation or any changes that may have happened during the Clone Wars.

No sign of any new buildings in the style of the Empire's design. Not one banner, stormtrooper or Empire ship or vehicle. Not one sign that the people or culture were affected at all. No sign of any post-Clone Wars rebuilding (you seem to all assume that the Empire would do the destroying but don't forget that there are several sides and being Palpatine's homeworld would make it a target). No sign of any decay or dirt due to the Empire sucking funds away from Naboo. No sign of anything different at all. Nothing. Not one change at all.

Is that clearer?

Dogg.
Author:  dans [ November 12th 2004 11:18 am ]
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As far as it getting damaged in the Clone Wars, you gotta remember that Palpatine is playing both sides, Republic and Seperatist. If he didn't want the planet touched he'd have the war continue elsewhere.
Author:  giftoflight [ January 3rd 2005 7:36 am ]
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Why would Naboo have to be a battered war zone? In the American Civil War there were plenty of places that never saw occupation. Also, would Naboo qualify as occupied territory? The people might have been content enough to never revolt.

Máire
Author:  thecolorsblend [ January 19th 2005 12:14 am ]
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giftoflight wrote:
Why would Naboo have to be a battered war zone? In the American Civil War there were plenty of places that never saw occupation. Also, would Naboo qualify as occupied territory? The people might have been content enough to never revolt.

Máire


Yeah, there you go. And how do we know Naboo was even occupied? All we see is in the '04 ROTJ celebration are a bunch of dancing Gunguns. Maybe they're just happy Palpatine is dead. That's likely because occupation won't suddenly end just because the Emperor is dead.
Author:  Jason@Star-Wars.net [ January 19th 2005 5:24 am ]
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Unless the Rebels were able to switch off the clones.

I agree with you though.

The Empire didn't go around make places look like shit. Their "ways" are what made places turn to crap. More then likely Naboo was just oppressed and all their writing and art was dedicated to the Empire. Plus I bet a lot of Palpatine supporters come from Naboo since that's where he started.

I bet it's like Rome. Some parts of the Roman Empire got screwed up during wars, but on whole it looked pretty damn nice, right?
Author:  Dogg Thang [ January 19th 2005 8:50 am ]
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how do we know Naboo was even occupied?


"Wesa free!" - clearly implies occupation. Thep oint about there being many Palpatine supporters in Naboo is valid and it could well have been that the humans there enslaved the Gungans. However, the mass celebration does not support that.

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The Empire didn't go around make places look like shit.


You seem not have read the rest of the thread so I'm going to repost this -

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Again, I'm not talking about having the place trashed. I'm simply saying it's odd that there is no sign whatsoever of any occupation or any changes that may have happened during the Clone Wars.

No sign of any new buildings in the style of the Empire's design. Not one banner, stormtrooper or Empire ship or vehicle. Not one sign that the people or culture were affected at all. No sign of any post-Clone Wars rebuilding (you seem to all assume that the Empire would do the destroying but don't forget that there are several sides and being Palpatine's homeworld would make it a target). No sign of any decay or dirt due to the Empire sucking funds away from Naboo. No sign of anything different at all. Nothing. Not one change at all.


Many parts of the Roman Empire looked lovely - but there were clear signs of change.

Dogg.
Author:  VT-16 [ January 19th 2005 3:05 pm ]
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Image

I think the darkening/better contrast in the Theed-scene in ROTJ helps highlight the rust and dirt that was already on the buildings. This, coupled with the fact that most of the populace seem to be dressed in light brown clothes, helps contrast with the more serene look of TPM Theed, making it look more OT-ish.

Would have liked an Imperial tank in flames though. ;)

(Try to overlook the fact that the entire cityscape has been flipped between films. Or, maybe this can be used to point out the madness inherent in the Empire, they forced people to relocate buildings for no apparant reason! :P)
Author:  thecolorsblend [ January 19th 2005 3:57 pm ]
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Dogg Thang wrote:
"Wesa free!" - clearly implies occupation. Thep oint about there being many Palpatine supporters in Naboo is valid and it could well have been that the humans there enslaved the Gungans. However, the mass celebration does not support that.


"We [the whole galaxy] are free!" And anyway, Naboo is a big planet, who knows what the rest of it might look like. I have no reason to think that they had ever been occupied.
Author:  Projbalance [ February 8th 2005 1:54 pm ]
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Also, Naboo didn't have an army to resist, they only had a small security force. The Gungans were able to hold off the droid armies for a time, bu they actually lost that battle. If Ham-akin hadn't Forrest Gumped his way into destroying the droid control ship all the Gungans would have been rounded up, so there is no way they would have been a challange to the Republic Army when Sidious flipped the switch on them. No resistance means no battle, and with no military means to speak of, a relatively small security force could have been left in place to oversee planetary issues.
Author:  VT-16 [ February 15th 2005 11:09 am ]
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There´s IG-88 assassin droids in ESB, they´re at least related to the Lancer droids in the CW cartoon and the IG-100 Magnaguards in ROTS.

The spider droid in Jabba´s palace (ROTJ) is based on BT-16 Perimeter Defence Droids (mentioned by stormtroopers in ANH).

My bet is most battledroids who survived the CW got bought by private companies and maybe integrated into Imperial military.
Author:  VT-16 [ February 15th 2005 11:54 am ]
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Yep. Pretty ingenious of Lucas to take the initial "droid racism" in ANH and tie it in with the CW. (Even though I don´t believe for a second he had THAT planned out 30 years ago ;))
Author:  Obi [ February 15th 2005 9:04 pm ]
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There is an historical precedent to this. After Stalin took control of the Soviet Union, he pretty much ran it to the ground, obviously. But Georgia (the republic, now the independent country) pretty much suffered the least. Originally stalin's name was Josef Djugashvili, and was a georgian native. While he learned to spaek russian quite well, his accent still retained that memory of the Georgian "hick". So back to SW, maybe palps kinda leaves Naboo alone, knowing that if the queen is an imperial puppet, there will be no problems.
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